Curse

Zehnchu · Jan 12, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by capblye

If you want to use a Real World analogy, then please make it accurate.
This would be more like the Judge taking away my car for a parking in a no parking zone.
Thats is not what would happen. I would get a fine and pay it.
These people are having their cars taken away completely.
Big difference.

Here's a better one,

You signed a legal contract stating if you break the rules you will accept the punishment.

Once you pressed the “I agree” button you agreed to follow and EULA and punishment if you broke the rules, if you didn’t agree to the TOS you shouldn’t have agreed and pressed the cancel button.

capblye · Jan 12, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

you are right there, but they will still notify you and you would be able to get it back- just like you should with the accounts

Exactly.
Permanently banning them is just overkill.

erikjo · Jan 12, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by capblye

Son,
Someday you'll be a big boy and have to get a job of your own ... mommy cant support you forever.
When that day comes, youll appreciate what im saying a lot more.
Until then, please just sit back and let the grown folks talk ok?
Thanks ever so much.

Again with the pathetic stereotypes.

Chicken Ftw · Jan 12, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

I would, but I was banned from marriage because I used an exploit to get into my ex-wife's hidden outpost. Fight the system!

Ahaha. My dirty mind made this statement so win.

Side note - I quit reading on like page 11. Are the same "but people weren't banned for doing Y" and "I didn't know anything was up, honest!" arguments still being used?

Messy · Jan 12, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by capblye

If you want to use a Real World analogy, then please make it accurate.
This would be more like the Judge taking away my car for a parking in a no parking zone.
Thats is not what would happen. I would get a fine and pay it.
These people are having their cars taken away completely.
Big difference.

actually.... they still have their cars.... they just don't have access to any roads to drive them on.

Jake_Steel · Jan 12, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

you are right there, but they will still notify you and you would be able to get it back- just like you should with the accounts

Except the car was rented (ie your access to the GW servers is rescindable at ANY time by Anet for violations) so it is returned to Avis.

Azarr#1 · Jan 12, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

you are right there, but they will still notify you and you would be able to get it back- just like you should with the accounts

your right you make one mistake in real life get sent to jail you still get a second chance to prove yourself that your not a real criminal. Everyone thinks you screw up once that you should go to jail for life or even be killed off.

explodemyheart · Jan 12, 2008, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Ahaha. My dirty mind made this statement so win.

At least I'm not alone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Side note - I quit reading on like page 11. Are the same "but people weren't banned for doing Y" and "I didn't know anything was up, honest!" arguments still being used?

Yes, pretty much. A few more people have joined in, but it's more or less the same. It's laughable, at best.

Yang Whirlwind · Jan 12, 2008, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by capblye

But to take away something from them they paid real money for? Nonsense.
Playing Guild Wars is not a PRIVELGE to the players. They paid for it in cash.
Playing Guild Wars is a GIFT to Anet. They paid someones salary.
Let's not forget that.

If you violate the rules in a club or at a ball game,- do you get a refund when they throw you out? I don't think so!

Do the bar owners or clubs appreciate your patronage: sure,- as long as you follow the clearly stated rules! If not,- it's the bums rush and good riddance!

It is very clearly

stated in the legal mumbo jumbo that you do not actually buy a game, you buy the right to access a game as long as you do not violate the rules, etc. etc.!
The people who hacked the client (if that is what happened), clearly broke the rules and therefore forfeit any rights they purchased to play the game!

As for the users that "merely" took advantage of a possibility to profit from a violation committed by others,- well: according to the law in most countries, the fence is as guilty as the thief!
If some of the people banned didn't actually know or suspect that they were involved in a serious violation, they should probably have their accounts restored, but I find it difficult to believe you guys posting here can sort out what's what from where you sit!

I do hope Anet is serious when they say they are reviewing each complaint carefully!
Since I have not been to this secret outpost I can't really say how likely it is for seasoned players to have been there without figuring something was seriously wrong (as opposed to plain wrong

)
Let's not forget that there has been several incidents in the past where you, due to some glitch, were able to access a place otherwise inaccessible from your point of origin (GH from pre-sear fx.) - the people who took advantage of these bugs didn't get Perma Banned from the game as far as I know.

I also hope people will hold back their (in my opinion) rash reactions to the bans until everything is sorted out and all complaints have been reviewed.

I for one fully understand and appreciate the need for the policy of ban-first-sort-out-later, that Gaile has clearly explained the reasons for (god knows how many times)!

When something like this happens, it's easy for all parties to over react and make snap judgments, hopefully there will not be any injustices left unanswered when the smoke clears from this mess.

Just my 2-cents worth!

capblye · Jan 12, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by erikjo

Again with the pathetic stereotypes.

Stereotype or not, I pegged you didnt I?
We can flame all night if you like ... or you can simply accept that you have no right to judge anyone.
Your claiming i stereo typing ... but all im really doing is giving you exactly what youve dished out.
You stereo typed all of the people that got banned without knwoing all of the facts, but i cant stereo type you? btw, if the stereotype fits ....

erikjo · Jan 12, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by quicksilv3r

you are right my friend this is a tragedy, and u are here doing nothin. with your finger up your !@#$%. stand up and be heard around this online world.
they didnt have ban them. this is a tragedy

This is NOT a tragedy. The fact that you think it is is pretty sad. You need to grow up and look at the world around you. This is a freakin game, and if you need it to boost your ego and life then a banning is the least of your worries.

pablo24 · Jan 12, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/117_%28number%29

Meta4ik · Jan 12, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

Here's a better one,

You signed a legal contract stating if you break the rules you will accept the punishment.

Once you pressed the “I agree” button you agreed to follow and EULA and punishment if you broke the rules, if you didn’t agree to the TOS you shouldn’t have agreed and pressed the cancel button.

Maybe you should read the Eula yourself because from our stand point we didnt do anything wrong. The outpost was looked legit. We just seriously went out of our way to keep that outpost. No one knew how we got it just that we had it and we want to keep it that way.

Jake_Steel · Jan 12, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Azarr#1

your right you make one mistake in real life get sent to jail you still get a second chance to prove yourself that your not a real criminal. Everyone thinks you screw up once that you should go to jail for life or even be killed off.

Actually this isn't like that, it's like being banned from a Private establishment at the owners discretion. (which happens all the time to people who act like asshats.) You don't get arrested, you don't go to jail, you just can't go back to Joe's Tavern any longer....

This is exactly like that, Anet's playground, Anet's rules.

erikjo · Jan 12, 2008, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by capblye

Stereotype or not, I pegged you didnt I?
We can flame all night if you like ... or you can simply accept that you have no right to judge anyone.
Your claiming i stereo typing ... but all im really doing is giving you exactly what youve dished out.
You stereo typed all of the people that got banned without knwoing all of the facts, but i cant stereo type you? btw, if the stereotype fits ....

You werent even talking to me lmao. I just commented on how dumb your steroetypes are. You didnt even bother to see if the person you commented on is the one that responded. I am sure that I am older than you, more educated, and have a better job. When you learn how to think like an adult, maybe you will be able to tell others to grow up. Get rid of your training wheels first please.

jezz · Jan 12, 2008, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by capblye

Whining? LMAO ... im stating fact. You apparently are "Holier" than me, so you cant read my lowly writing.
I said people like YOU didnt know all the facts, but yet were so quick to judge. I dont know all the facts, and i dont WANT to know really ... but i certainly DO NOT pass judgement on anyone. No one is better than me (Except of course you, and others like you) so i could not deem myself worthy to spew out nonsense like "GOOD! They Deserve to be banned!"
Who are we to judge anyone, ever?

And EVEN IF what Anet says is 100% fact and true, a Perma Ban is still over the top whether there a EULA or not.
People PAID money for the product.
If Anet insists on a Perma Ban, fine, give em their money back.
No way EVER could i agree that some nonsense in game exploit/whatever justifies them taking away the persons PAID for product.

Try and remember that this is a GAME. What these people are losing is hard earned real money, for some stupid in game infraction.
So they found an exploit ... OH NO! ALL OF GW IS GOING TO CRUMBLE!
They cheated ... OH NO! THEY ARE SADISTIC PEDOPHILES THAT SHOULD BE CASTRATED!
They took advantage of something in a GAME ... OH NO! THEY HAVE OFFENDED MY MORALITY! SOMEONE CALL THE MORAL POLICE!

Soooo superior than all of us ... i just dont see how you all function in a world filled with us lowly substandard peasants.

Oh and as an aside ...no, i wont leave GW just yet. I just wont ever spend time in PUG's on the off chance i get saddled with folks like you.
But i will stick around if for no other reason than to question your "Moral Police" squad.
And i will patiently wait for the day when its YOU defending your actions to this flame happy lynch mob. It will come sooner or later.
The higher you climb, the farther you fall.

1: maybe before you state your opinion you should get all the facts.
2: i believe it wasnt just an exploit, but game client was hacked.
3: yes its a game so why the need for hacking.

you break the law you get punished/you break rules of game, well you get banned.
do you actually believe the rules are there just for the hell of it?

if any were not clearly involved then i am sure Anet will correct it.

truzo 117 · Jan 12, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by pablo24

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/117_%28number%29

Omg Pablo..your a Legend !! really im almost crying !! LMAO

GloryFox · Jan 12, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

It's called

Poetic Justice
Function: noun
: an outcome in which vice is punished and virtue rewarded usually in a manner peculiarly or ironically appropriate

explodemyheart · Jan 12, 2008, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by erikjo

This is NOT a tragedy. The fact that you think it is is pretty sad. You need to grow up and look at the world around you. This is a freakin game, and if you need it to boost your ego and life then a banning is the least of your worries.

I'd say... don't waste your words. He's just trolling, which just goes to prove the mentality of these "innocent" people.

Messy · Jan 12, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by capblye

Stereotype or not, I pegged you didnt I?
We can flame all night if you like ... or you can simply accept that you have no right to judge anyone.
Your claiming i stereo typing ... but all im really doing is giving you exactly what youve dished out.
You stereo typed all of the people that got banned without knwoing all of the facts, but i cant stereo type you? btw, if the stereotype fits ....

Most of us are not judging, I just have no sympathy for cheaters. I don't need to know the facts, ANET does, and they took care of it , swiftly. Plus, most of the guys that posted here admitted being there, they just didn't know blah blah....

ignorance is no excuse.